Most recent discourse (this is apparently huge, TLDR follows):
(5:12:22 PM) Annaleisa: hello sir
(5:12:26 PM) Annaleisa: how is everything?
(5:12:31 PM) Self: eh, not so bad
(5:12:40 PM) Self: you?
(5:12:46 PM) Annaleisa: i'm lovely thanks
(5:12:54 PM) Annaleisa: sure you're ok?
(5:13:34 PM) Self: yep. slightly sick - made an appointment to get some antibiotics
(5:13:52 PM) Self: i went two weeks ago and the doc was convinced it was just viral -.-
(5:13:57 PM) Self: otherwise fine
(5:14:19 PM) Annaleisa: sigh
(5:14:28 PM) Annaleisa: did you take some flora with your antibiotics?
(5:14:40 PM) Annaleisa: otherwise you kill allthe good stuff too
(5:14:41 PM) Self: i haven't been given any antibiotics yet
(5:14:53 PM) Annaleisa: ooh
(5:14:59 PM) Annaleisa: well i would advise against it
(5:15:03 PM) Self: but yeh, i'll knock back some yogurt or something
(5:15:22 PM) Annaleisa: if you take some flora (in the hardcore capsule form) it'll kill off the bad stuff
(5:15:31 PM) Annaleisa: works better than anit all of them
(5:15:34 PM) Annaleisa: anti**
(5:15:40 PM) Self: and what, pray tell, is flora?
(5:16:54 PM) Annaleisa: ultra flora sb dysbiosis.
(5:16:59 PM) Annaleisa: it's a probiotic
(5:17:35 PM) Self: that's great and all, but the infection i have is regular old bacteria - probably strep
(5:18:01 PM) Annaleisa: yup, so pro biotics will help your immune system fight it off
(5:18:16 PM) Self: that's not how immune systems work
(5:18:40 PM) Annaleisa: it's bacteria in your gut right?
(5:18:56 PM) Self: it's strep - the bacterial infection in this case occurs in my throat
(5:19:19 PM) Annaleisa: but it's still in your system
(5:19:54 PM) Self: what does that have to do with my immune system?
(5:20:55 PM) Annaleisa: if you have bacteria in your body
(5:21:04 PM) Annaleisa: then you're immune system isn't working properly is it?
(5:21:19 PM) Annaleisa: coz bad bacteria isn't meant to be there
(5:21:46 PM) Self: no, it means part of my body has become infected with bad bacteria; it doesn't have a lot to do with the working nature of my immune system
(5:22:06 PM) Self: which also doesn't have a lot to do with whether or not the stocks of "good" bacteria in my stomach are high or low
(5:22:43 PM) Annaleisa: actually it does. coz if you had lots of lovely good bacteria in your system, then you wouldn't still be sick.
(5:22:48 PM) Self: taking antibiotics will knock out a large number of the cultures in my system - including the good, hence yogurt can help a little if you're taking the antibiotics
(5:23:03 PM) Annaleisa: or ultra flora
(5:23:10 PM) Annaleisa: which is much better
(5:23:10 PM) Self: sweetie, can you tell me what the good bacteria actually do for me?
(5:23:17 PM) Self: the ones in my stomach?
(5:24:36 PM) Annaleisa: At first, probiotics were thought to beneficially affect the host by improving its intestinal microbial balance, thus inhibiting pathogens and toxin producing bacteria.
(5:24:57 PM) Annaleisa: when you're sick in one part of your body, it's not just in one part.
(5:25:06 PM) Annaleisa: it travels everywhere.
(5:25:20 PM) Self: except that that's bullshit
(5:25:30 PM) Self: i have an infection in the tissue of my throat
(5:25:38 PM) Self: the infection hasn't spread anywhere else
(5:25:42 PM) Self: it *can*, but it hasn't
(5:26:20 PM) Self: my immune system has learned to recognise the good bacteria in my gut - but that has little if anything to do with infections elsewhere in my body
(5:26:35 PM) Annaleisa: you're infected *.*
(5:26:53 PM) Self: if i cut my skin, and the wound becomes infected, it's infected in the wound
(5:27:14 PM) Annaleisa: and you have poison in your blood, which travels throughout your body.,
(5:27:18 PM) Self: the infection *can* spread, but if you treat it right and are relatively healthy, it won't
(5:27:34 PM) Self: yeh, but it can't actually do anything
(5:27:56 PM) Self: otherwise i'd be infected in all my tissue
(5:28:12 PM) Annaleisa: when you have a throat infection, you're whole body is full of bacteria, however it is most effected in your throat.
(5:28:38 PM) Annaleisa: so if you take stuff that helps good bacteria grow in your gut, it encorages your body to fight off the infection everwhere
(5:28:38 PM) Self: i appreciate the concepts put forth by holistic theories, but sometimes it really is just one part of the body that is the cause
(5:28:49 PM) Self: that doesn't make sense
(5:29:05 PM) Self: the stuff growing in my gut has nothing to do with the infection in my throat
(5:29:05 PM) Annaleisa: what happens when you swallow?
(5:29:14 PM) Self: it hurts
(5:29:16 PM) Self:
(5:29:26 PM) Annaleisa: so bacteria is in your gut.
(5:29:33 PM) Annaleisa: be realistic.
(5:29:43 PM) Self: so what?
(5:30:46 PM) Annaleisa: just treat your gut ok.
(5:30:55 PM) Annaleisa: i've been there, and done all the doctor crap
(5:30:57 PM) Annaleisa: and it's crap
(5:31:02 PM) Annaleisa: and you're not listening to me
(5:31:13 PM) Self: sweetie, just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean all medicine is wrong
(5:31:14 PM) Annaleisa: even though i've had far more experience with this sort of thing
(5:31:26 PM) Self: some doctors are assholes, just like any other profession
(5:31:26 PM) Annaleisa: i'm not saying doctors are crap
(5:31:45 PM) Annaleisa: i'm saying that i've had countelss infections
(5:31:57 PM) Annaleisa: and the best thing to do, to feel better (which is your aim)
(5:32:05 PM) Annaleisa: is fix your gut
(5:32:08 PM) Self: no, my aim is to kill the infection
(5:32:18 PM) Self: if i just wanted to feel better, i'd take analgesics
(5:32:29 PM) Self: if i don't take antiobiotics, this is liable to last for more than a month
(5:32:35 PM) Annaleisa: my understanding of better is healthy.
(5:32:42 PM) Self: bacterial infections aren't like viral infections
(5:33:04 PM) Self: if i leave this, or just take probiotics, it'll be with me for months
(5:33:12 PM) Self: if i take antiobiotics, it'll be gone within a week
(5:33:40 PM) Annaleisa: if you looked after your body, it wouldn't have been a problem to begin with
(5:33:51 PM) Annaleisa: (A)
(5:33:57 PM) Annaleisa: anyway, i have to go
(5:34:06 PM) Self: we can agree on that last part
(5:34:11 PM) Self: later miss
(5:34:12 PM) Annaleisa: hopefully the antibiotocs wont cause too much damage
(5:34:16 PM) Annaleisa:
(5:34:17 PM) Self: i'll be fine
(5:34:19 PM) Annaleisa: ciaos <3
TLDR:
She thinks antibiotics are harmful, and I should take (what is effectively Yakult - fermented milk) to treat an infection.
Seriously, how can someone be opposed to antibiotics? Vaccination, maybe, I can forgive - although it's hard to look past the damage done by polio, even though it was way before my time.
But antibiotics? Really?